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Re: Major pro-Beijing rally at Australia relay
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:37 PMChinese love their country and they don't want people pointing to smears of blood they got on their hands.. much like American's don't like to be viewed as imperialist purveyor of violence.
I am thinking that China will progress by inspiring the best in them..as oppose to shaming the worse in them...
I am thinking that Chinese do not want the tibetans to separate..they want China to be undivided.. so perhaps an appeal towards brotherly-sisterly love would get more traction.. perhaps... -
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Re: Major pro-Beijing rally at Australia relay
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:10 AMThat is a nice sentiment… Forgive me but my reason for protesting is not just about Tibet. It has to do with a rising super power that doesn’t acknowledge human rights as a necessary part of its growth plan. People outside of China need to value Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Press and Freedom of Speech abroad before they lose those rights at home. By standing up for Tibetans you are standing up for yourself… by doing nothing you are saying “I don’t value my Freedoms go ahead and take them”
By addressing this issue now while it is contained within China we can avoid it growing into a much larger issue… but then again I know people like to sleep and most likely will continue not to take note until the issue hits them personally. -
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Re: Major pro-Beijing rally at Australia relay
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:31 AMyep, I agree 100% with you..
I see that China has alot of destructive potential (global warming, health risk with the manufacture of toxic home items, pandemics like sars and such)..
how they handle Tibet come from mindset on how they handle the tiananmen square, the millions of killings during the communist revolution etc....and how they will likely handle future problems..
I agree with Audre Lord's saying "you cannot be neutral on a moving train"..
What I am skeptical of, is the same old tactics of shame, fear, resentment, even anger towards those who commit violence.
Tibetans cannot afford to get further on the bad side of the Chinese because they are simply out numbered and the Tibetan's do not have an army.. they cannot affort getting the Mainland pissed off.. That will simply bring them more violence.
I don't know if any other country, not even India, is prepared to defend the Tibetans from the Chinese...
My concern is that the world seems to be shaming the Chinese, but this shame will only build resentment in them, since Chinese are proud people and they will act against Tibet, blaming them for the "trouble" they created around the world.
I don't have the answers, at all.. But i am looking at this from the Chinese perspective.. and trying to figure out how best to bring about change.
Would you be willing to tell me, how you imagine the Proud Nationalistic Chineese Communist government to go about caring or becoming tolerant toward the Tibetans? -
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Re: Major pro-Beijing rally at Australia relay
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:30 PMAlex –
I think it’s a numbers game…
Seemingly the Proud Nationalistic Chineese Communist think they can get more people globally to believe their storyline about Tibet… They are playing a public relations game globally (They won this game at home because they run all the media and decent can be dealt with, PLEASE listen to this: www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php )
China is starting to win the numbers game and public relations game abroad also. The way to win this is to let other people know what is going on and hope it outrages them enough that they start doing something about it. If we build a critical mass of pro Tibet people China will have no choice but to rethink it’s stance.
My issue is that not enough people are speaking up… so it makes it look as if China has already won. But if we all spoke up and got on youtube and posted pro Tibet slogans and showed up at rallies and organized events then we could build momentum.
When America did not participate in the 1980 Russian Olympics it did help Russian Jews facing oppression at the time… (I can dig up some facts around this if needed)
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Re: Major pro-Beijing rally at Australia relay
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:25 AMyes... in a dreamy, ideal world. but that's not the case.
walk/drive around in Beijing for an hour and you will see. they do not treat their own people nicely. poor farmers, looking for extra income, coming in from the country side to big cities... they work 12-hour shifts in god-awful working conditions like rising skyscrapers, and they are dirt cheap. i felt their lives are cheaper than a gallon of gas, so expendable and uncared for. poor or rich, they are all Han's, who form the majority of population. imagine being minority tribes. racism, stigma, unfair treatments, you name it.
new rising power does not mean they have learned from the advancement of the current advanced nations. for some reason, they just have to go through the same paths, regarding human rights, workers' compensation, environment concerns, etc. even they know how these aspects progressed when the advanced nations became advanced, new technologies available for efficient use of energy and treating environment, and so on... all the while they have choices and options to make it better, more respectable, more efficient, less stress to its own people and environment. but no. they have to go through it all in the same ways as others who had walked painful paths toward "advancements".
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